故名思意,这是一部关于HELEN的电影,虽然是以TROY战争为时代的背景,但并不是在吟唱战争,所以译名为木马屠城记,于名于实皆不合情理,想必是出于商业之需求,借以屠城二字来吸引国人眼球,看了以后,大家都非常明白,这是一部歌颂爱情的史诗电影.而把他与后来拍的TROY相比,绝对是完全不同,TROY是根据《荷马史诗》中的《伊利昂记》改编,歌颂的是阿各疏斯,这样一个性格暴烈,顽强,勇敢,追求名誉的英雄,他的愤怒对于战争具有转折性的意义,而《HELEN OF TROY》歌颂的是美丽的HELEN,面对的是人性的贪婪、自私、残暴。
特洛伊战争是荷马史诗的第一部,讲述了希腊人如何攻打特洛伊人的整个过程。
在里面诞生了两个史诗级的英雄,阿基琉斯和赫克托。
两个都是我很喜欢的人物。
但我认为在电影的前半段他们只能被称作勇士,在经历了内心重大选择的洗礼后他们才可以被称作真正意义的英雄。
首先,阿基琉斯在神话中是人和神之子,但是电影中没有像神话一样把他形容得像一个不死之身。
他在无敌的同时也是桀骜不驯的,但是拥有巨大力量的阿基琉斯却很迷茫,似乎他的存在只有征服和杀戮,他一直奉行的个人英雄主义背后却是满满的空虚。
而赫克托,是一个好儿子,一个好哥哥,一个好丈夫,他是一个好王子,他为了国家而战,为了所有国民而战,他没有退缩,承担了属于王子的那份责任。
但面对阿基琉斯的对决他也同样动摇过,看着妻子熟睡的侧脸和隆起的小腹,他也渴望自己能够陪伴在家人身边,谁不希望可以好好活着呢?
可悲壮的是他明知自己会输,也勇然为了自己的国家依然选择了一场赴死的战斗其中值得一提的是我被阿基里斯的伟大和深厚的英雄主义色彩震撼到的瞬间,并不是他以一敌百的时刻,也不是他为表弟复仇的怒火。
而是在木马屠城时,他最先想到的是拯救那个心爱的女祭司的生命。
在这时驱动他前进的并不是之前一直奉行的个人荣誉与尊严,而是爱。
也同样是爱带来的恐惧与脆弱,让他暴露了弱点和软肋,并最终为爱而死。
但也正是爱,让他人性的一面烨烨生辉,让那个所向披靡,整个希腊为之颤抖的战神留名万世,让后人都生活在阿基里斯的时代。
我喜欢希腊的勇士,喜欢他们的勇气,喜欢他们最求人的价值。
这是一个伟大的时代,也是一个英雄的时代。
而这部电影,告诉我们真正的英雄主义是可以怀揣着脆弱与恐惧前行的。
没有弱点的是神,而爱与信念才是让我们可以“明知不可为而为之”的第一驱动力。
特洛伊战争,是浪漫和战争完美结合的经典,这十年的故事却不是一场偶然,而是由神之手早已注定。
电影《新木马屠城记》将这一历史经典演绎到了极致,浪漫的爱情,残酷的战争,亲情的羁绊,阴险的谋略,时而惊心动魄,时而感人至深。
特洛伊战争是一场悲剧,有歌颂,有讽刺。
战争的导火索——特洛伊王子帕里斯,最终在黑夜中的逃亡路上被突然出现的敌人抽刺数刀,当场惨死。
这似乎就是在提醒着,不管是谁,写了故事的开头,就要由他完成故事的结局,不管是好是坏。
而当我们感慨于一个低贱甚至为了赢回耕牛而不惜代价地参加决斗的牧羊人小子瞬间转身变成高贵的特洛伊王子的时候,特洛伊也不知不觉决定了自己的未来,当特洛伊全城上下为帕里斯的回归举杯欢庆的时候,人们并不知道,在未来,他们将被屠杀殆尽,无论男女老少;他们的家将被纵火焚烧,无论高贵低贱。
除了卡珊德拉。
卡珊德拉,特洛伊公主,国王普里阿摩斯的女儿。
从小拥有独特的预言能力,能够准确地预见未来。
当她的母亲刚生下帕里斯的时候(当时帕里斯刚生下的时候名为亚历山德罗),卡珊德拉就已清楚地预见了特洛伊最终会因为帕里斯的存在而亡城。
国王普里阿摩斯没有把小卡珊德拉的预言当做儿戏,他狠下心来把自己的亲生儿子让手下从山上扔下去。
从他略微的轻率中,我看到更多的是一个国王的睿智——为了保护这座城市,为了保护他的人民,牺牲自己的儿子。
让我惊讶的是,普里阿摩斯发生了重大的转变。
当他知道和赫克托决斗并且获胜的牧羊人竟是自己多年前差点亲手葬送的儿子时,他显得格外诧异,惊讶的表情中却带着些许的喜悦。
而这时候,卡珊德拉再一次劝告普里阿摩斯杀了帕里斯,但沉浸在幸福之中的普里阿摩斯没有听进她的忠言。
更有甚者,当帕里斯从斯巴达王手中偷回了他的妻子——最美女子海伦、希腊率领着爱琴海最强大的海军舰队前来进攻的时候,普里阿摩斯为帕里斯和海伦举行了婚礼,或许是因为他自认为特洛伊攻不可破。
这时卡珊德拉最后一次劝普里阿摩斯杀了帕里斯和海伦,普里阿摩斯却二话不说直接把卡珊德拉扔进了监狱,卡珊德拉因此变得疯癫。
这时的普里阿摩斯已不再是当年的他自己,缺少了些许考虑。
卡珊德拉在一定程度上,我认为,象征着不被重用最终抑郁而死的忠臣。
当时古地中海地区政治上实行森严的等级制度,在这样的政治体系下,君主高高在上,群臣俯首。
卡珊德拉“逆耳”的忠言最终让她自己成为古老的等级制体系的牺牲者。
一直在想着,如果普里阿摩斯坚持了自己当初的决定,听从了卡珊德拉的劝告,杀了帕里斯,那么特洛伊战争会不会就因此不会发生。
或许这就是古希腊故事的神奇之处,让读者去想象着最终可能性,同时却让读者不得不服故事的最终结局。
同时要提到的是战争,这里的战争简直就是一场儿戏,其起源仅仅是因为一个女人,当然这其中不乏虚荣的自尊心,对于城池的贪婪之心以及对爱情的执着之心。
帕里斯更像是一位浪漫的理想主义者,他不顾后果坚决带回了海伦;对特洛伊城池垂涎已久的阿伽门农劝诱他的弟弟斯巴达王进攻特洛伊,并不惜杀了自己的女儿作为出行时对神的祭祀品;斯巴达王出于虚荣的自尊心,或许还有一点点对海伦的爱惜之情。
特洛伊战争就这样开始了并延续了十年之久。
从另一个角度来看,这场特洛伊战争——贵族之间玩笑一样的开场却带来了生灵涂炭,灾难无数。
虽为无意,但贵族却能玩弄平民于手指之间,平民是这场战争无辜的受害者。
平民总是战乱时代的受害者,或更确切地说,平民总是这个原始专制制度下的受害者。
浪漫?
残暴?
不同的人对于特洛伊战争持有不同的读法和看法。
因而,特洛伊战争是好是坏不再重要,它已然积淀成历史,并成为经典。
我们记住的,更多的是浪漫的爱情,机智的谋略和伟大的英雄。
After watching the movie of Helen of Troy, I did several researches and also spent time watching another similar movie named Troy, which is also fairly famous and was screened one year later. Despite comparing the differences in plots or shooting skills, here, I am going to share with you some understandings or personal points of view towards this famous legend story, and also I am trying to analyzing some hiding social phenomenon in ancient Greece.Firstly, Helen is a main character in this legend, who is also a kind of controversial person during the Trojan War. A great many people then consider Helen is to blame for the 10-year Trojan War due to her elopement with Trojan prince Paris. However, as is shown in the film, the war between Sparta and Troy was more than a cause trouble of a woman. The conflicts and accumulated rancor have already developed, so Helen was only the blasting fuse of this warfare. Therefore, from this, we can see that Helen was just an excuse of the war and then unfortunately became the scourge in most people’s eyes.It also reminds me of women’s social status in Greek Mythology and in ancient Greece. In ancient Greece, the term of “citizen” only referred to the adult Greek males, and therefore, females were not allowed to participate in the administration and discussion of polis affairs. From this definition of citizen, the discrimination of women seemed to be common and doubtless in ancient Greece. Moreover, even in the marriage, the relationship between husband and wife was also unequal. Women were always put into the passive positions in their marriages. To be more specific, Greek women were always fastened to housework and rarely had time or right for their own businesses. It was also widely accepted that virtue of docility was a criteria of a good or standard wife. Therefore, based on this fact, Helen’s elopement, in my point of view, is a brave breakthrough of the unequal social barrier a bravery to pursue true love and lead a wishful life.Secondly, there is another explanation of Helen’s elopement and the hiding meanings. In classical mythology, Helen’s behavior was controlled by the gods and goddesses, which was, however, not very clearly shown in the film of Troy. The myth started with a golden apple and a competition between goddesses Hera, Athena, and Aphrodite. Paris was promised by Aphrodite that he would have Helen, and meanwhile, Helen was shot by Eros, the god of love, and fell in love with Paris on the first sight of Paris. Therefore, on this point of view, the Trojan War has already been arranged by the gods and goddesses, humans were just played and fooled at the will of these gods. And here, I want to add that in classical mythology, the relationship between gods and humans are rather different from the traditional thoughts we owned. In classical mythology, gods merely show mercy for humans. They help humans mostly because humans are useful or they enjoy the sacrifice humans make for them. As for humans, they worship the gods mainly because they fear them. However, our modern western assumptions about gods are really different. Gods are regarded as merciful and just, and they create the universe and human beings. What’s the most important is that gods have their affection and are concerned about the human beings. And as for we human beings, we worship our gods because we respect them and think they are the savers for us. I think this difference can help us establish a better understanding of Greek history.In conclusion, both of these movies show us the cultures of Greece and benefit for our further learning of European culture.
没有丢掉原本故事的味儿,但又有了更丰富的情节。
Helen是一个更重要的线索,正如标题所说。
叫“木马屠城”却总觉得有点奇怪。
还是很感人的。
每一个角色都塑造的很不错。
甚至连Paris都没那么讨厌了。
阿伽门农和墨涅拉奥斯的形象我很喜欢。
尤其后者。
觉得他们已经不是高度抽象的英雄,而是有人性的真实存在。
阿伽门农一开始就意欲占有海伦。
但海伦只是一个借口,他最渴望征服的是征服特洛伊。
墨涅拉奥斯是个软绵绵优柔寡断的家伙。
我很喜欢他和Hector决斗那段。
不过电影在表现时间跨度的时候手法并不高明。
并没明显感觉到有10年之久。
Hector那么快就死了...弱化啊弱化!
我绝对是有不满的...整个故事很有神话的味道。
服装,音乐,人物的口音与语气。
觉得每个人都像极了我心目中的那个神话人物。
无论是英雄们,还是女人们(尤其是Cassandra)。
只是海伦一开始天真活泼的样子有点费解...最后交代清楚阿伽门农死在了他老婆的手里,也是一个很不错的手法。
觉得只有这样,一个歌颂爱情的故事才算是有了完整的结局。
百度百科是谁写的?
谁说这是烂片来着?
照我说,有Brad Pitt的那个版本才是烂片。
别叫Troy,叫Achilles风流传算了,更商业更吸引...
A beauty, a hero, and a king, three person’s stories; beauty, courage, and desire, three different emotions. Their intersection is the movie "Helen of troy". Paris in the dark was suddenly coming out of the enemy draw knife stabbed several died on the spot ……Helen was raped by Agamemnon, who could not resist, In the end, back to the starting point - she still followed his husband, whom she did not love ...... the men, who personally killed his daughter for war ritual, Agamemnon, was eventually killed by his wife ...... the surprising plots to shook the people's nerves. If they had known these final results, will they go to still struggle for it? Still to pursue? Will they chooser the same choices. Helen is the beauty, she represents the free of love. Helen is just a weak woman, even though she has a beautiful face. Every woman is eager to be a beauty, but the beauty of Helen brought her a series of disasters, “The beautiful woman suffered a harsh life”. Her beauty becomes the object of desires of many men: she is robbed by Theseus, then his brother robbed her back; her father hated her; the kings got together and decided her vest. Her body was her own, but she is not independence. All of these makes Helen flee. Perhaps it is unforgivable that Helen fled from Greece in the eyes of the Greeks. But as a woman, it is a pursuit of free love. For love, she blows everything. Helen, who is an active life, she knows what she wants, and pursuit of the goal of herself. She proved that women are not just an object of desire for men, she also has the ability to initiate the pursuit of love and happiness. From Helen I also thought of "Yingying biography" the girl Cui Yingying, and" Stone Story "Lin Daiyu."Stone Story "Lin seems to get rid of the tragic fate, the novel pointed to the Lin's identity at the beginning, she is the reincarnations of annatto, Lin struggled for independent personal love and freedom, she suffered extraordinary pains. Lin therefore shed the last drop of for true love. In addition, from Helen's story, I saw the ancient Greeks’ questing for the beauty. As a modern man, I cannot understand, a decade of war, the ultimate goal of war is for a beauty, which no modern man can understand. Perhaps in the eyes of Greeks, The beauty is above anything, beauty is truth. The two sides compete for peerless beauty Helen, countless soldiers went dark for the beauty of sacrifice without regrets. Perhaps because of this, the ancient Greek create the elegant and refined, noble and lively, full of artistic expression full of beautiful statues. Paris is also a hero. He is different from the movie "Troy" that Paris no longer hid in the city, and did not meet the enemy, he is not the cowardly Paris. Although he was not the first warrior of Troy, but he does not intend to surrender to anyone, he fight for his own reputation. The pursuit of honor and dreams and goals of each ancient Greek hero. They process in the pursuit of honor, individuality, self-affirmation, to realize their own values, but also to indulge the desire to sacrifice moral, ethical. War is an important way to get the honor. the release of passion, you can win a lot of trophies, enhanced reputation, the subject of admiration. For example, Achilles would rather die, than want to lead his life comfortably at home. Agamemnon symbolizes the desire, his desire to focus on three areas: the woman - Helen; for wealth, power; against honor. Agamemnon's desire to unite to meet the end of the movie, though, but with the life disappear, he could not really have his income. As a man, he was eager to Helen's beauty; as king, eager to wealth, power; as a great hero, the pursuit of honor. His desire, the more and more damage to others. To his desires, he snubbed his wife, killed her daughter, coerced brother, kill the tens of thousands of people. Sadly with the disappearance of his own lives, Agamemnon cannot really have his income. This is the tragedy of human destiny. Second, the pursuit of wealth and power. As a king, Agamemnon is thirst for power and greed for wealth, which coexists with the growing strength of his ambition. At that time the Greek states, the most powerful Mycenae, Agamemnon is the highest leader of the entire Greek region, he orders the pack, assembled troops. Achilles, Odysseus, Menelaus and so obey him. He wants absolute power, which makes him particularly arrogant men. He also wants to conquer the ocean side of the Trojan people, so that they surrender to him. In the film, his fierce eyes prove arrogant Agamemnon. Any of his decisions are irrefutable. He dreamed to conquer the world. In the film, Agamemnon is the object of many desires, he desire carrier interests, wealth, excuse powers and so on. After decades of war, he was loaded with booty, honor and go, very comfortable lying tub. Then Agamemnon reached the pinnacle of his life. He is successful, peak moment is also low moments, all of his life is together with his disappearance. People admire the ancient Greek heroes, we should also ponder war and humanity. Society needs proper desire, need good human, but definitely do not need
现实与神话交杂,是这部电影的特色。
也是由于各国民俗的不同吧,加上环境、思维等等,这一切的不同,使人另眼相看他国的过去,仅此一点,慢慢地看完了这部电影。
强暴海伦,阿伽门农攻破特洛伊后做的第一件事。
女人,尤其是漂亮的女人,在战乱中总是会成为牺牲品。
不止是海伦,还有《西西里美丽传说》中的Melena(莫妮卡·贝鲁奇),《等待黎明》中的阿男(叶童)……当电影看到这里,作为观众的你,是怎么想的呢?
海伦,正是这个女人导致了斯巴达和特洛伊的战争, 背叛丈夫, 侮辱了斯巴达.经典一幕发生在特洛伊城破之时, 当士兵们山呼斯巴达王, 杀了这个引祸的女人, 但是她的美貌, 竟然使得见惯腥风血雨的斯巴达王, 下不了这个手……这使人想起 中国唐代的杨贵妃,在兵变之际的唐玄宗在马嵬坡,狠心送她走上不归之路... 这两个不同命运的女人,她们的生死竟然取决于丈夫的政治生命:斯巴达王胜,海伦可以活,唐玄宗败,杨贵妃必须死。
所有的战争过错,都归咎于这两个女子的罪过,究竟是她们的背叛与惑乱导致战争,还是男人的贪欲造成了灾难。
这,真令人惋叹……
In these dark times,the only thing we have left hold on to is love, the one true gift of gods, and it is through love that we hope and pray the gods will send us peace. 看完Helen of Troy,我哭了,不能自已。
我通篇只看到了两个字:苦难。
一出生就被国王和王后遗弃的帕里斯,一出生就被父亲视为不详的海伦,爱上海伦却被海伦离弃的斯巴达王,身为希腊王后却憎恨自己丈夫的海伦的姐姐,英勇却被残忍的阿基琉斯杀死的赫克托,善良而睿智但却亡国的特洛伊国王……一群人的命运纠缠在一起,不得超脱。
唯一让人感到温暖的,是海伦和帕里斯的爱情。
他们为彼此而存在,为彼此而抗争。
但仍然要面临死亡、离别,天各一方,各自面对着孤独与思念。
命运。
最后,历尽屈辱和悲伤的海伦来到帕里斯死去的地方,抚摸着柱子上帕里斯的血迹,神样的帕里斯从烟雾中现身。
他拉起她:“Brave Helen”."wherever you are,take me with you.”"I can not.”“Will we meet again?”“I prepare you place”"Good.”海伦答道。
然后帕里斯就消失了。
那是她所有的希望。
海伦与斯巴达王的对话也是意味深长。
他抽出剑,海伦恭顺地俯下身体、露出脖颈。
"Do you really think I will kill you, Helen?""I do not thank you for my life.""I understand.""I can not love you.”“what will you do?""I will follow you."海伦说。
一丝欣慰涌上斯巴达王的面颊,“I accept.”她虽然不爱他,但她决定信任他。
她跟着他,消失在路的尽头。
2003年版的Helen of Troy比2004年版的Troy拍得好,它更深地诠释出了人性与命运、苦难与爱情。
只是爱情,可以给我们救赎吗?
等待,是一千年,还是一万年?
没有《特洛伊》好看,女演员也不是那种让人惊艳的
很喜欢这个版本
除了海伦美爆了之外不比pitt好。前面大半部分好坏标在脸上,10年一下过去绝对是硬伤。阿克琉斯典韦般一样昙花一现,狗一样的死去了= =后面剧情人物性格还好,不过史诗中讲小人物总有些别扭
红颜祸水一笑倾城,木马屠城鬼泣神忿
虽然给4星,但是——想起这片气就不打一出来!!那个倒霉孩子把欧冠决赛我仁和切尔西的片弄成这玩意的靠靠靠!!!
bitch is bitchy
比特洛伊好看
噱头大于电影其他的一切
特洛伊战争的另一个视角,什么冲冠一怒为红颜,什么神的旨意,全是幌子,人为财死鸟为食亡罢了!
片面还可以,就是剧情未免太啰嗦了
演Helen 那个演员真漂亮,比<Troy>里面的好看多了
好像有点跑偏了
10——7分
大一下学期
后半段惊了,赫克托被阿基琉斯一枪标死,阿基琉斯在疾驰的战车上被帕里斯射箭踵杀,帕里斯在混乱中被阿伽门农多刀捅死,阿伽门农在浴池被妻子多刀捅死。电影改编得太不像话
对特洛伊战争蛮感兴趣的了 很神奇的一部电影
相比04版特洛伊更接近荷马史诗中的神话,情节主要围绕海伦视角展开,制作成本低在影片很多细节里都能看得出来,战争场面很寒碜,导演估计也清楚大场面是玩不开了于是贡献一个最美电影版海伦给观众看下去的欲望,至于其他人物选角只能说一言难尽
改得Helen,Theseus,Menelaus,Paris都是追求爱情的痴情人,Agamemnon和利益权力是毁灭迫害他们的罪魁祸首,Achilles就是个恶毒的傻大个,Hector死得窝窝囊囊。神话背景也是不清不楚,要自行预习,其实就是剧组钱少。歌颂爱情的洗白版木马计。
海伦惊为天人~比皮特那版好太多了
名著拍出来的电影的特点是不大精彩且太长。这版的Helen比新版的好看百倍。